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	<title>Comments on: News from PeerGuardian and Bluetack</title>
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		<title>By: oledawg</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-13717</link>
		<dc:creator>oledawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used Bluetack since I left the Warez scene when the bottom fell out.  I have since used P2P and Bluetack&#039;s Protowall has been invaluable for my purposes. It has not been foolproof, I have been doing my own research with the usual whois, then adding deny entries for years. 
I have accumulated almost 40k entries in a 3670K file of data, which are mostly single-IP denies.
I have also entered almost 2400 permits to allow me access to individual IPs within those ranges supplied by Bluetack. 
For instance, there are 34 permits for Dell Computers and I don&#039;t even own a $%#%$^ Dell.
While I definitely prefer clones, I also have about ten HP-Compaqs and over the years have entered 97 permits to gain access for HP drivers and documentation.

I recently downloaded the latest IpfilterXB18-Sheitan blocklist to see what it offered.  My opinion?  Not much.

For instance, there are a little less than 170 entries in the Bluetack ipfilter before the first entry in the IpfilterX file that I acquired.  I won&#039;t comment on the rest of IpfilterX, it isn&#039;t worth the hassles and quibbling that would cause.

I will state that I may use parts of it to supplement Bluetack&#039;s ipfilter, Bluetack hasn&#039;t been helpful in over a year in keeping up with the thousands of sites that have been recruited by the anti-P2P crowd.

Someone here mentioned universities--It is obvious to me that they have long been actively participating in anti-P2P themselves, contracting out their spare computer time to get in on the action for a few bucks. 
The Asians, Australians and even Africans have been jumping in big-time, not to mention large corporations, small software and hardware suppliers and even school districts. In desperation, before I wrote my own applications to generate denies, I was manually blocking huge blocks of IPs from the Pacific Basin, especially China. My rationale was that there weren&#039;t that many BT users out there downloading software anyway. 

Things have gotten so bad that I am actively blocking my own ISP, the bastards at Time-Warner who have been using every trick in the book to load rootkits on computers I use for P2P.  I have gotten fairly adept at rooting out the rootkits using Hirens utilities and DOS/NTFS commands.

I got tired of the whois/manual entry of deny records and wrote a system to automate the process. It isn&#039;t perfect by far, but the attackers are legion and descend like hounds from Hell.  Some of the sites may actually be good guys, but I still get decent bandwidth even if some are inadvertently denied.

I&#039;m not going to criticize anyone for their beliefs, but if anyone wants about seven years or so of tedious labor, email me at oledawg@bigfoot.com and I will send my personal permit and deny files for their perusal.

My own experience in the computer business goes back to the &#039;60s when I was a wet-behind-the-ears computer programmer writing assembly language applications on IBM mainframes. My last assembler gig was thirteen years ago, but after about ten years working for others, I started a small software house in the 80s and three hardware maintenance companies in the 90s that paid the bills until I retired at the end of the last century. 
Since then I have piddled with PCs 24/7, surfing the &#039;net, programming and managing to download a little less than a terabyte while maintaining an average seed ratio around 1.5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used Bluetack since I left the Warez scene when the bottom fell out.  I have since used P2P and Bluetack&#8217;s Protowall has been invaluable for my purposes. It has not been foolproof, I have been doing my own research with the usual whois, then adding deny entries for years.<br />
I have accumulated almost 40k entries in a 3670K file of data, which are mostly single-IP denies.<br />
I have also entered almost 2400 permits to allow me access to individual IPs within those ranges supplied by Bluetack.<br />
For instance, there are 34 permits for Dell Computers and I don&#8217;t even own a $%#%$^ Dell.<br />
While I definitely prefer clones, I also have about ten HP-Compaqs and over the years have entered 97 permits to gain access for HP drivers and documentation.</p>
<p>I recently downloaded the latest IpfilterXB18-Sheitan blocklist to see what it offered.  My opinion?  Not much.</p>
<p>For instance, there are a little less than 170 entries in the Bluetack ipfilter before the first entry in the IpfilterX file that I acquired.  I won&#8217;t comment on the rest of IpfilterX, it isn&#8217;t worth the hassles and quibbling that would cause.</p>
<p>I will state that I may use parts of it to supplement Bluetack&#8217;s ipfilter, Bluetack hasn&#8217;t been helpful in over a year in keeping up with the thousands of sites that have been recruited by the anti-P2P crowd.</p>
<p>Someone here mentioned universities&#8211;It is obvious to me that they have long been actively participating in anti-P2P themselves, contracting out their spare computer time to get in on the action for a few bucks.<br />
The Asians, Australians and even Africans have been jumping in big-time, not to mention large corporations, small software and hardware suppliers and even school districts. In desperation, before I wrote my own applications to generate denies, I was manually blocking huge blocks of IPs from the Pacific Basin, especially China. My rationale was that there weren&#8217;t that many BT users out there downloading software anyway. </p>
<p>Things have gotten so bad that I am actively blocking my own ISP, the bastards at Time-Warner who have been using every trick in the book to load rootkits on computers I use for P2P.  I have gotten fairly adept at rooting out the rootkits using Hirens utilities and DOS/NTFS commands.</p>
<p>I got tired of the whois/manual entry of deny records and wrote a system to automate the process. It isn&#8217;t perfect by far, but the attackers are legion and descend like hounds from Hell.  Some of the sites may actually be good guys, but I still get decent bandwidth even if some are inadvertently denied.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to criticize anyone for their beliefs, but if anyone wants about seven years or so of tedious labor, email me at <a href="mailto:oledawg@bigfoot.com">oledawg@bigfoot.com</a> and I will send my personal permit and deny files for their perusal.</p>
<p>My own experience in the computer business goes back to the &#8217;60s when I was a wet-behind-the-ears computer programmer writing assembly language applications on IBM mainframes. My last assembler gig was thirteen years ago, but after about ten years working for others, I started a small software house in the 80s and three hardware maintenance companies in the 90s that paid the bills until I retired at the end of the last century.<br />
Since then I have piddled with PCs 24/7, surfing the &#8216;net, programming and managing to download a little less than a terabyte while maintaining an average seed ratio around 1.5.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-9211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluetack lists are so useless...
Nexus23 ipfilterX rocks!!!

Reading an interview of these nexus23 people ,
they started it all... not Bluetack that just copied from Method who was a nexus23 mate...
So they are the pioneers , not just a rival team ,
and who would use bluetack nowadays , they are like their filters... hogs ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluetack lists are so useless&#8230;<br />
Nexus23 ipfilterX rocks!!!</p>
<p>Reading an interview of these nexus23 people ,<br />
they started it all&#8230; not Bluetack that just copied from Method who was a nexus23 mate&#8230;<br />
So they are the pioneers , not just a rival team ,<br />
and who would use bluetack nowadays , they are like their filters&#8230; hogs &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Enno Lenze</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-6730</link>
		<dc:creator>Enno Lenze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAHAHAHA! Need more popcorn for reading all the stuff the dumbasses are writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAHAHAHA! Need more popcorn for reading all the stuff the dumbasses are writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mdubb</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-6623</link>
		<dc:creator>Mdubb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys can say the list is useless all you want, but I know it works from personal experience.  My brother and I download similar things using P2P, but I have used PG with the Bluetack lists for years, while he has not, due to his running Windows Vista.  He and his wife have gotten 5 copyright infringement notices over the last year and a half.  I&#039;ve never gotten a single one.

I&#039;m not saying that is solely because of PG, but it&#039;s another layer of protection to go along with being careful what and where you download.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys can say the list is useless all you want, but I know it works from personal experience.  My brother and I download similar things using P2P, but I have used PG with the Bluetack lists for years, while he has not, due to his running Windows Vista.  He and his wife have gotten 5 copyright infringement notices over the last year and a half.  I&#8217;ve never gotten a single one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that is solely because of PG, but it&#8217;s another layer of protection to go along with being careful what and where you download.</p>
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		<title>By: TxB</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-4905</link>
		<dc:creator>TxB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WHAT BLOCKLISTS should be used INSTEAD???&quot;

IpfilterX B5

http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178440&amp;package_id=205922

Check the links above and you will see it existed when you posted. Other stuff exists, you just have to use your brain to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WHAT BLOCKLISTS should be used INSTEAD???&#8221;</p>
<p>IpfilterX B5</p>
<p><a href="http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/" rel="nofollow">http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/</a><br />
<a href="https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178440&#038;package_id=205922" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178440&#038;package_id=205922</a></p>
<p>Check the links above and you will see it existed when you posted. Other stuff exists, you just have to use your brain to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: mongrel</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-3845</link>
		<dc:creator>mongrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree. What else is out there? If you don&#039;t like an entry, you can take it out yourself or add to it yourself but here&#039;s something to think about. 

A Library is owned by the community and supported by the community. Many Libraries purchase movies that you, as a member of the community and part owner of the library, may check out. Soo.. check out the movie instead of downloading it, and make a nice backup of the movie to keep for the community. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree. What else is out there? If you don&#8217;t like an entry, you can take it out yourself or add to it yourself but here&#8217;s something to think about. </p>
<p>A Library is owned by the community and supported by the community. Many Libraries purchase movies that you, as a member of the community and part owner of the library, may check out. Soo.. check out the movie instead of downloading it, and make a nice backup of the movie to keep for the community. <img src='http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware&#160;at IDTorrent Blog</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware&#160;at IDTorrent Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zwartbaard.nl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2705</link>
		<dc:creator>Zwartbaard.nl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2669</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware &#124; TorrentFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#9: &quot;… sheer idiocy.&quot; 

yeah, the only reasonable statement applying in that context.

&quot;Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE ...&quot;

show me software you are NOT USING BLINDLY!

Are you writing your own OS?
Are you checking any source code line by line and compile everything yourself?



&quot;you create your own list of course.&quot;

yeah, and my firewall policy is to allow any traffic except the suspicious one that I stumble upon when going through my logfiles afterwards ...

&quot;Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent client from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. &quot;

surely! I WATCH a huge amount of 12 digit numbers rushing by and do my post mortem analysis spending a whole weekend for doing whois queries for each hour I deared to download anything .... not to mention the weeks of subsequent research to refine the whois querries and investigate the business models, professional affiliations and commercial relations of the yielded whois answers ...

&quot;you don’t want to block […] like any .edu (unless you hate downloading)&quot;

sure.  .edu-adresses are my most famous source for filiesharing and I would run dry without them, since no modern university ever blocks p2p protocolls and enforces copyright protection nowadays. 
Students abusing their universities infrastructure for filesharing without getting cought must definetely be the real backbone of the filesharing world today ...


&quot;IT TAKES WORK, period.&quot;

yeah, as much work as it takes to write your own OS, to weld your own car from sheet steel and to build your own house from scratch with your own bare hands ....


&quot;many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall,[...] you do NOT need software firewalls.&quot;

well just a good security advice as all the before.

Actually there are people using personal firewalls to keep stuff ENCLOSED on their PC and prevent further downloading by suspicious programs and spreading in case some security breach occured on their PC locally - something that a normal external hardware firewall without outbound application level screening cannot provide .....

But as you said already: &quot;sheer idiocy&quot;

But to become reasonable again:
skipping through the bluetack forums it&#039;s obvious that they also have some conspiracy theorists contributing at least in the forum ... and It&#039;s a pitty if CCC or innocent trackers get banished in the haze of suspicion.

Yet is is more of a pitty if there is no better alternative and it surely is easier and better to use the bluetack blocklists and manually correct for some known exaggerations than to go out on the street without any pants at all ....

An dieser Stelle einen herzlichen Dank an erdgeist für die vernünftige Antwort - und insbesondere für Euer aller Arbeit an OpenTracker ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#9: &#8220;… sheer idiocy.&#8221; </p>
<p>yeah, the only reasonable statement applying in that context.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>show me software you are NOT USING BLINDLY!</p>
<p>Are you writing your own OS?<br />
Are you checking any source code line by line and compile everything yourself?</p>
<p>&#8220;you create your own list of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, and my firewall policy is to allow any traffic except the suspicious one that I stumble upon when going through my logfiles afterwards &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent client from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. &#8221;</p>
<p>surely! I WATCH a huge amount of 12 digit numbers rushing by and do my post mortem analysis spending a whole weekend for doing whois queries for each hour I deared to download anything &#8230;. not to mention the weeks of subsequent research to refine the whois querries and investigate the business models, professional affiliations and commercial relations of the yielded whois answers &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;you don’t want to block […] like any .edu (unless you hate downloading)&#8221;</p>
<p>sure.  .edu-adresses are my most famous source for filiesharing and I would run dry without them, since no modern university ever blocks p2p protocolls and enforces copyright protection nowadays.<br />
Students abusing their universities infrastructure for filesharing without getting cought must definetely be the real backbone of the filesharing world today &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;IT TAKES WORK, period.&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, as much work as it takes to write your own OS, to weld your own car from sheet steel and to build your own house from scratch with your own bare hands &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall,[...] you do NOT need software firewalls.&#8221;</p>
<p>well just a good security advice as all the before.</p>
<p>Actually there are people using personal firewalls to keep stuff ENCLOSED on their PC and prevent further downloading by suspicious programs and spreading in case some security breach occured on their PC locally &#8211; something that a normal external hardware firewall without outbound application level screening cannot provide &#8230;..</p>
<p>But as you said already: &#8220;sheer idiocy&#8221;</p>
<p>But to become reasonable again:<br />
skipping through the bluetack forums it&#8217;s obvious that they also have some conspiracy theorists contributing at least in the forum &#8230; and It&#8217;s a pitty if CCC or innocent trackers get banished in the haze of suspicion.</p>
<p>Yet is is more of a pitty if there is no better alternative and it surely is easier and better to use the bluetack blocklists and manually correct for some known exaggerations than to go out on the street without any pants at all &#8230;.</p>
<p>An dieser Stelle einen herzlichen Dank an erdgeist für die vernünftige Antwort &#8211; und insbesondere für Euer aller Arbeit an OpenTracker <img src='http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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