Comments on: News from PeerGuardian and Bluetack http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/ running an open bittorrent tracker Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:24:17 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Enno Lenze http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-6730 Enno Lenze Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:45:46 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-6730 MAHAHAHA! Need more popcorn for reading all the stuff the dumbasses are writing. MAHAHAHA! Need more popcorn for reading all the stuff the dumbasses are writing.

]]> By: Mdubb http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-6623 Mdubb Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:38:11 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-6623 You guys can say the list is useless all you want, but I know it works from personal experience. My brother and I download similar things using P2P, but I have used PG with the Bluetack lists for years, while he has not, due to his running Windows Vista. He and his wife have gotten 5 copyright infringement notices over the last year and a half. I've never gotten a single one. I'm not saying that is solely because of PG, but it's another layer of protection to go along with being careful what and where you download. You guys can say the list is useless all you want, but I know it works from personal experience. My brother and I download similar things using P2P, but I have used PG with the Bluetack lists for years, while he has not, due to his running Windows Vista. He and his wife have gotten 5 copyright infringement notices over the last year and a half. I’ve never gotten a single one.

I’m not saying that is solely because of PG, but it’s another layer of protection to go along with being careful what and where you download.

]]> By: TxB http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-4905 TxB Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:51 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-4905 "WHAT BLOCKLISTS should be used INSTEAD???" IpfilterX B5 http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178440&package_id=205922 Check the links above and you will see it existed when you posted. Other stuff exists, you just have to use your brain to find it. “WHAT BLOCKLISTS should be used INSTEAD???”

IpfilterX B5

http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178440&package_id=205922

Check the links above and you will see it existed when you posted. Other stuff exists, you just have to use your brain to find it.

]]> By: mongrel http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-3845 mongrel Mon, 05 May 2008 04:22:42 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-3845 I have to agree. What else is out there? If you don't like an entry, you can take it out yourself or add to it yourself but here's something to think about. A Library is owned by the community and supported by the community. Many Libraries purchase movies that you, as a member of the community and part owner of the library, may check out. Soo.. check out the movie instead of downloading it, and make a nice backup of the movie to keep for the community. :P I have to agree. What else is out there? If you don’t like an entry, you can take it out yourself or add to it yourself but here’s something to think about.

A Library is owned by the community and supported by the community. Many Libraries purchase movies that you, as a member of the community and part owner of the library, may check out. Soo.. check out the movie instead of downloading it, and make a nice backup of the movie to keep for the community. :P

]]> By: Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware at IDTorrent Blog http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2737 Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware at IDTorrent Blog Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:18:31 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2737 [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...] [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]

]]> By: Zwartbaard.nl » Blog Archive » Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2705 Zwartbaard.nl » Blog Archive » Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:06:57 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2705 [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...] [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]

]]> By: Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware | TorrentFreak http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2669 Anti-Virus Company Says PeerGuardian is Malware | TorrentFreak Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:08:31 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2669 [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...] [...] almost exactly two years ago, after utorrent.com was added to the Bluetack lists. Similarly by the Opentracker people, and the German Chaos Computer [...]

]]> By: anonymous http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2171 anonymous Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:02:28 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2171 @#9: "… sheer idiocy." yeah, the only reasonable statement applying in that context. "Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE ..." show me software you are NOT USING BLINDLY! Are you writing your own OS? Are you checking any source code line by line and compile everything yourself? "you create your own list of course." yeah, and my firewall policy is to allow any traffic except the suspicious one that I stumble upon when going through my logfiles afterwards ... "Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent client from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. " surely! I WATCH a huge amount of 12 digit numbers rushing by and do my post mortem analysis spending a whole weekend for doing whois queries for each hour I deared to download anything .... not to mention the weeks of subsequent research to refine the whois querries and investigate the business models, professional affiliations and commercial relations of the yielded whois answers ... "you don’t want to block […] like any .edu (unless you hate downloading)" sure. .edu-adresses are my most famous source for filiesharing and I would run dry without them, since no modern university ever blocks p2p protocolls and enforces copyright protection nowadays. Students abusing their universities infrastructure for filesharing without getting cought must definetely be the real backbone of the filesharing world today ... "IT TAKES WORK, period." yeah, as much work as it takes to write your own OS, to weld your own car from sheet steel and to build your own house from scratch with your own bare hands .... "many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall,[...] you do NOT need software firewalls." well just a good security advice as all the before. Actually there are people using personal firewalls to keep stuff ENCLOSED on their PC and prevent further downloading by suspicious programs and spreading in case some security breach occured on their PC locally - something that a normal external hardware firewall without outbound application level screening cannot provide ..... But as you said already: "sheer idiocy" But to become reasonable again: skipping through the bluetack forums it's obvious that they also have some conspiracy theorists contributing at least in the forum ... and It's a pitty if CCC or innocent trackers get banished in the haze of suspicion. Yet is is more of a pitty if there is no better alternative and it surely is easier and better to use the bluetack blocklists and manually correct for some known exaggerations than to go out on the street without any pants at all .... An dieser Stelle einen herzlichen Dank an erdgeist für die vernünftige Antwort - und insbesondere für Euer aller Arbeit an OpenTracker ;) @#9: “… sheer idiocy.”

yeah, the only reasonable statement applying in that context.

“Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE …”

show me software you are NOT USING BLINDLY!

Are you writing your own OS?
Are you checking any source code line by line and compile everything yourself?

“you create your own list of course.”

yeah, and my firewall policy is to allow any traffic except the suspicious one that I stumble upon when going through my logfiles afterwards …

“Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent client from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. ”

surely! I WATCH a huge amount of 12 digit numbers rushing by and do my post mortem analysis spending a whole weekend for doing whois queries for each hour I deared to download anything …. not to mention the weeks of subsequent research to refine the whois querries and investigate the business models, professional affiliations and commercial relations of the yielded whois answers …

“you don’t want to block […] like any .edu (unless you hate downloading)”

sure. .edu-adresses are my most famous source for filiesharing and I would run dry without them, since no modern university ever blocks p2p protocolls and enforces copyright protection nowadays.
Students abusing their universities infrastructure for filesharing without getting cought must definetely be the real backbone of the filesharing world today …

“IT TAKES WORK, period.”

yeah, as much work as it takes to write your own OS, to weld your own car from sheet steel and to build your own house from scratch with your own bare hands ….

“many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall,[...] you do NOT need software firewalls.”

well just a good security advice as all the before.

Actually there are people using personal firewalls to keep stuff ENCLOSED on their PC and prevent further downloading by suspicious programs and spreading in case some security breach occured on their PC locally – something that a normal external hardware firewall without outbound application level screening cannot provide …..

But as you said already: “sheer idiocy”

But to become reasonable again:
skipping through the bluetack forums it’s obvious that they also have some conspiracy theorists contributing at least in the forum … and It’s a pitty if CCC or innocent trackers get banished in the haze of suspicion.

Yet is is more of a pitty if there is no better alternative and it surely is easier and better to use the bluetack blocklists and manually correct for some known exaggerations than to go out on the street without any pants at all ….

An dieser Stelle einen herzlichen Dank an erdgeist für die vernünftige Antwort – und insbesondere für Euer aller Arbeit an OpenTracker ;)

]]> By: Jewelisheaven http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2158 Jewelisheaven Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:38:44 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2158 ... sheer idiocy. Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE deserves to have themselves taken over by IE iframe exploits. The ipfilter lists from bluetack are a prime example. To respond to DonkyBoy, you create your own list of course. Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent clien from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. Note I say questionable because there are legitimate peers within certain private ranges you don't want to block... like any .edu (unless you hate downloading), but you would especially want to block sites which wouldn't like it if they knew / could connect to you while you were downloading your favourite linux ISO would you? Regarding you believing #6, rubbish. IT TAKES WORK, period. Just like when you get a new computer, what's the first thing you do? Hopefully after unwrapping it and getting two pairs of scissors to eliminate the super-sticky tape they use to pack it... you remove the bundled adware that you will never open and don't need. After that hopefully you remove sponsored security software and all browser toolbars and then only re-install software relevant to your regular operation of the computer. A perfect example which is relevant especially when relating to the process of torrenting, many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall, unless they are on a large private LAN (.edu for example) where it would be silly to be wide open advertising services, you do NOT need software firewalls. They only contribute to headaches for users who can't understand help manuals and to support personnel who have to reference / quote the "script" users hate, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS so often. In any case, I appreciate the work you guys at H3Q do so I say thank you~! :D … sheer idiocy. Anyone who blindly uses ANY SOFTWARE deserves to have themselves taken over by IE iframe exploits.
The ipfilter lists from bluetack are a prime example. To respond to DonkyBoy, you create your own list of course. Sure it is work to do whois queries on questionable peers you connect to or to actually WATCH your torrent clien from time to time seeing what kind of peers are connecting to you. Note I say questionable because there are legitimate peers within certain private ranges you don’t want to block… like any .edu (unless you hate downloading), but you would especially want to block sites which wouldn’t like it if they knew / could connect to you while you were downloading your favourite linux ISO would you? Regarding you believing #6, rubbish. IT TAKES WORK, period. Just like when you get a new computer, what’s the first thing you do?
Hopefully after unwrapping it and getting two pairs of scissors to eliminate the super-sticky tape they use to pack it… you remove the bundled adware that you will never open and don’t need. After that hopefully you remove sponsored security software and all browser toolbars and then only re-install software relevant to your regular operation of the computer. A perfect example which is relevant especially when relating to the process of torrenting, many people do not understand when they are behind a hardware firewall, unless they are on a large private LAN (.edu for example) where it would be silly to be wide open advertising services, you do NOT need software firewalls. They only contribute to headaches for users who can’t understand help manuals and to support personnel who have to reference / quote the “script” users hate, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS so often.
In any case, I appreciate the work you guys at H3Q do so I say thank you~! :D

]]> By: DonkyBoY http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/2007/09/24/news-from-peerguardian-and-bluetack/comment-page-1/#comment-2152 DonkyBoY Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:35:19 +0000 http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/?p=29#comment-2152 Well i have been using PeerGaurdian2 & Protowall for quite some time now (years) and if along side Azureus or uTorrent and i have managed to connect to way more people than i needed to be able to finish my downloads both of these ip blockers have served me well and defiantly agree with anonymous in post 6 there may be ways to circumvent this protection but what else is there to use? Well i have been using PeerGaurdian2 & Protowall for quite some time now (years) and if along side Azureus or uTorrent and i have managed to connect to way more people than i needed to be able to finish my downloads

both of these ip blockers have served me well and defiantly agree with anonymous in post 6 there may be ways to circumvent this protection but what else is there to use?

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